Überfall Getreideschiff 69 n. Chr

[Wolfgang]

Wegen den Säcken, die Maissäcke die bei Rorke`s Drift gelagert wurden, waren fast 100 Kilogramm schwer.

[Roland]

Incredible deep research. Thanks.

[Cryns]

Incredible deep research. Thanks.

You are very welcome Roland. That is what this forum is all about for me.

Wegen den Säcken, die Maissäcke die bei Rorke`s Drift gelagert wurden, waren fast 100 Kilogramm schwer.

You must be absolutely right Wolle. I worked for a farmer in the 1980's who explained me the weight of a 100 kg bag was reduced with 50% for Arbeitsschutzgesetzgebung. But now I read a bag of mortar/cement may only be 25kg. That confused me. In fact the huge piles of British 'mealiebags' in your Rorke's Drift diorama were running through my head when I was compsoing grainbag groups. I imagine the 100 kg bags to look like this:

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That leaves all possibilites open again. But the 36 liter bags as mentioned by Bockius are at least some indication for me.

one big deal with shipping in older days was the reload of goods

I agree.

Grain in amphorae? Certainly not!

But where are such pithoi in ancient archaelolgical ship findings?

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I have to admit I found not one example in ancient sources or archaeological findings of grain transport in amphorae or pithoi.

but what are the sources and what is the basis of the drawing? Did they comment every feature, what is the intention of the drawing, is it educated guess? Or do they just want to make it look nice?

I agree. I just 'hope' these artists did proper research, backed up by the specialist archaeologists. Which is a weak base.


A QUESTION TO YOU AND TO ALL OF YOU:
What do we see here? What is the Matratze / mattress looking structure visible under the sail?

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[Cryns]

Roman wine barrels, drill-cut resin by turning a chunk of resin on high speed around on a drilltip. The clamps holding the wooden staves together are made of coconut fibre.

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Roman Amphorae drill cut in resin:

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Wicker covered amphorae to protect them during transport:

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Small grainbags, laying down, and with more strangulated mouths. Also a batch of copies of these and the blocks of bigger bags.

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[CHRIS DODSON]

Mr C.

More genius in action.

Do you ever have a bad day?

Best wishes,

Chris

[stenfalk]

I'm speechless again! I would love to build a medieval port just because of this beautiful cargo.

[dirk]

Einfach nur toll !

Wunderbar, mit welcher detailtreue du das Ladegut gemacht hast.

[Wolfgang]

Wunderbares Ladegut, in vielen Variationen!

[Cryns]

Many thanks dear Chris, Stenfalk, Dirk and Wolfgang.

Do you ever have a bad day?

Yes. Some days I can not decide what to do: I got stuck in research without finding right answers. Those day's I am only watching my new shipmodel and going through all of my books and digital libraries. Without any progress.
Also you have to know I make many objects twice or triple or I dis-assemble parts of my ship (dissolving the white glue) because I am not satisfied or uncertain about the result. You only see the best pieces here. I have boxes full of unused parts and objects. I always think: maybe one day I will use them for a shipyard diorama as spare parts.

[Cryns]

But the problem is the bilge on such a river barge. There is no inner panelling with the archaeological finding,

The shipwrecks show many holes and sockets which initial purpose and use is debated. The suggestions and conclusions by archaeologists differ through the years. For the Zwammerdam6 I made an overview for myself to put all these spots in a system, trying to understand them and judge their function.

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but of course there could be laid some loose boards over the timbers.

That is right. Most of the Rhine barges / Prahmen had a wooden floor over the ribs. Often it was removed before the ship accidentally sank or was sunken on purpose. The Arles barge shows this, loaded with construction stones.

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And also the full size replica of the Zwammerdam6 has a floor: this could be a perfect protection for the bottomside of grain bags against leakingwater.
With a cover like a sailcloth over it, I imagine the cargo to stay pretty dry during transport.

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