Überfall Getreideschiff 69 n. Chr

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Re: Überfall Getreideschiff 69 n. Chr

Beitrag von dirk » Fr 3. Feb 2023, 20:52

Lodewijk, ich bin immer wieder fasziniert über deine Recherchen und woher du deine Infos bekommst.
Ich bin einmal gespannt, was du für eine Antwort auf deine Anfrage erhälst.
Es mag sein, dass es diese römische Figuren für eine Rheinschiff von Jörg Schmäling gibt, aber mir persönlich gefallen die Figuren nicht besonders.

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Re: Überfall Getreideschiff 69 n. Chr

Beitrag von Patrick » Sa 4. Feb 2023, 00:44

Ja, das war mein Diorama.
Die Figuren waren von Jörg Schmäling und wurden direkt an dieses Boot angepasst.
Meine Lieblingsfiguren sind es auch nicht.

In diesem neuen Diorama werden auch komplett Jörgs Figuren verwendet.

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Re: Überfall Getreideschiff 69 n. Chr

Beitrag von Cryns » Mo 6. Feb 2023, 15:24

Thank you Dirk for your nice words.
Patrick hat geschrieben:
Sa 4. Feb 2023, 00:44
Ja, das war mein Diorama.
Die Figuren waren von Jörg Schmäling und wurden direkt an dieses Boot angepasst.
Thank you for the confirmation dear Patrick.
dirk hat geschrieben:
Fr 3. Feb 2023, 20:52
Es mag sein, dass es diese römische Figuren für eine Rheinschiff von Jörg Schmäling gibt, aber mir persönlich gefallen die Figuren nicht besonders.
Patrick hat geschrieben:
Sa 4. Feb 2023, 00:44
Meine Lieblingsfiguren sind es auch nicht.
Well I do like Schmälings figuren.
First of all because they are originals. I mean real originals, and not assembled figurines made of copied plastic bodyparts. But that is my artistic preference. For the person that has to paint them, it does not matter how its made.
I have Schmäling Ancient Germans which are my favorites among all plastic, resin and metal Germanic figurines I collected.
Because of the dynamic 3D poses and the historic outfits.
And also:
If you paint them well with shadows, highlights and contrastlines, they look good anyhow.

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Re: Überfall Getreideschiff 69 n. Chr

Beitrag von Cryns » Mo 20. Feb 2023, 12:36

Building the Zwammerdam 6 barge starts with a test: how thin can the limewood be cut and sanded in L-shaped chine pieces before it breaks? I hoped it could be worked down to 2mm thickness.
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To my own amazement, it could be sanded down to 1mm thickness and still not break in the corner or tear apart over the wood nerve.


The chine is the lower sidepart of a barge where bottom and board come together in one L shaped piece cut out of a treelog. Chine pieces with high boards were the typical feature of Roman river barges. In the middle ages the boards of the chine pieces became lower until in the modern age it completely dissappeared from the wooden barge building tradition. Instead, two different planks with a seam were used then.
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Each side of the barge is made out of 5 different pieces of which 2 are toothed triangles to clamp the middle and front parts together.
Because I lack a proper bleuprint (the one I have is depicting the deformed remnant of the wreck as found in situ) I cut the parts with a knive on intuition.
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Because I don't like straight lines in shipbuilding and the barges often were slightly bended, I wetted the chine pieces and curved them over night in an improvised frame.
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Re: Überfall Getreideschiff 69 n. Chr

Beitrag von Cryns » Mo 20. Feb 2023, 12:43

A temporary boat building ramp is made to create the angles for the bottom of bow and stern with a scale print glued on top of it.


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Everything is glued with white glue (ponal) so when I make a mistake, I make it wet and take it apart again.


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An additional board piece is added with gripping teeth at each end to give the construction of bow and stern pieces extra strength.


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Re: Überfall Getreideschiff 69 n. Chr

Beitrag von CHRIS DODSON » Mo 20. Feb 2023, 16:15

It appears that genius comes as standard with you Mr C!

Very impressive as always .

Best wishes,

Chris

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Re: Überfall Getreideschiff 69 n. Chr

Beitrag von StephB » Mo 20. Feb 2023, 17:35

This new Cryns project looks very promising and very well researched, as always. It is really interesting to watch the scratch-building process step by step.
But I have one question: This is a custom-made model for one particular diorama only, or is there a chance that one may buy casts of the boat? We have discussed this topic before, the long and slender form might be a problem for a fragile resin model … But still, it would be nice to have one!

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Re: Überfall Getreideschiff 69 n. Chr

Beitrag von dirk » Mo 20. Feb 2023, 20:45

Schöne Bilder, und wirklich klasse, wie du die Form dieses Schiffes aufbaust.

Da steckt wirklich viel Gedankengut und Fingerspitzengefühl drin.

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Re: Überfall Getreideschiff 69 n. Chr

Beitrag von Frankzett » Di 21. Feb 2023, 11:55

These woodworking looks great, what glue do You use?

Greetings
Frank

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Re: Überfall Getreideschiff 69 n. Chr

Beitrag von Cryns » Di 21. Feb 2023, 18:42

Thanks for the nice words dear Chris, StephB, Dirk and Frankzett.
StephB hat geschrieben:
Mo 20. Feb 2023, 17:35
This is a custom-made model for one particular diorama only, or is there a chance that one may buy casts of the boat?
I will make a silicone mold, cast it and contribute a resin copy for Mules of Marius / Krefeld Museum.
The wooden master I will keep myself and the model will be added to my product range for sale.
Quote by Stephb: Dear Cryns, you have asked if I have ideas for further releases – and I do in fact.
So here is one suggestion: A Roman riverboat of the flat, elongated type that was used in the northern provinces. I’m thinking about the famous Zwammerdam boats, No. 6 in particular. This is a photo by Jona Lendering / Livius.org made at the Museum in Mainz:
I have been reading this thread again in the hidden area of this forum.
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By then, in 2020, I did not have my giant home converted vacuüm paella pan for horizontal casting and my professional giant high pressure tank for vertical casting. I also bought a stronger, 2-stage vacuüm pump so I have much more professional possibilities now.

StephB, it is remarkable you mentioned Zwammerdam 6. I forgotten about that.

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But, after studying all the Roman barge types and findings during the last halve year now, I have to conclude this model from the Mainz Museum is not depicting Zwammerdam 6 although the info with the pic says so. Zwammerdam 6 is much smaller, the smallest of the 3 Zwammerdam barges.
This model from Mainz looks as big as Zwammerdam 4 or Woerden 7.
But Zwammeerdam 4 has a higher front.
And Woerden 7 has the typical cross frames at the front and aft floor. And it has at least 6 rowing banks.

I believe this shipmodel is a fictional design, build as an addition to the giant Zwammerdam rudder, which was found apart from the 3 barges and probably does not belong to any 3 of them. This Mainz shipmodel can depict a type and size of ship that is representative for one that have carried the giant stearing oar.

The original rudder:
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A somewhat smaller rudder of this type will be added to my Zwammerdam 6 model.

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